tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26754179.post116813736281365739..comments2023-08-09T07:05:15.277-07:00Comments on BastardGrannyAnnie: BASTARDS DON'T LIEGrannie Anniehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08961647803071602014noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26754179.post-1168382841881501622007-01-09T14:47:00.000-08:002007-01-09T14:47:00.000-08:00If birth certificates are not falsified, and if na...If birth certificates are not falsified, and if names are not changed, then the legal records will contain the original birth name of the child. This will show up in school records, for example, even if the child is a minor.<BR/><BR/>This does not stop adoptive parents, or other relatives, friends, etc. from lying if they so choose. But it makes it harder to support and continue the lies.<BR/><BR/>Parents, both adoptive and biological, can lie. But a birth certificate is a state certified document and should not be falsely issued in the first place.The issuance of such false documents "recording" so-called 'vital information'does not serve minor children anymore than it does adults.It is still their history and identity that is being falsified.(and I was told by a lawyer that it is illegal for anyone to falsify a birth certificate...except when issuing a new one in an adoption..or the secret witness program)<BR/><BR/>I am a non-adopted bastard who grew up in my biological family.although I did not know all of the details of my family history, I grew up knowing that some aspects of my family were 'different.'And my knowledge increased as I grew older.I did see my birth certificate when I applied for a drivers permit.(age 16)There was no sudden point(age 18) at which I suddenly had the right to 'know".My identity didn't change, although my family knowledge increased with time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26754179.post-1168275940452403792007-01-08T09:05:00.000-08:002007-01-08T09:05:00.000-08:00Adoptalk's comments have much sound and fury but l...Adoptalk's comments have much sound and fury but little sense.Access to birth certificates has nothing to do with suicides, organ transplants, or children who die before reaching majority. Those are all search and reunion issues, a whole other problem. The small amount of information on an OBC, parents names and place of birth, is often in the hands of adopted parents anyhow should grave need arise before the child is an adult. In any event, contact to minors is and should be up to the adoptive parents. Children do not go and get their birth certificates, adopted or not. I fail to see how not having an amended certificate, but instead some kind of certificate of adoption would do anything to prevent suicides, facilitate organ donation, or prevent lies within adoptive families where the parents did not want to disclose further information. It seems like a whole lot of unrelated information has been thrown out here with little regard for common sense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26754179.post-1168272642467111222007-01-08T08:10:00.000-08:002007-01-08T08:10:00.000-08:00Someone emailed me trying to explain that when BN ...Someone emailed me trying to explain that when BN says they support the rights of ALL adoptees, this is because all adoptees all adoptees will SOMEDAY be adults! Talk about POPPYCOCK!<BR/><BR/>That is as blatantly untrue as birthmoms being told they'll have other kids. Some may and some may not!<BR/><BR/>What about all the children (adopted or not) and adolescents who do NOT live to be adults? What about those who die in need of an organ transplant or bone marrow? What about the suicides (twice as many among adoptees)?<BR/><BR/>And of the survivors, what about the more than average number of them suffering from emotional disorders, psychosis (inherited or not), alcoholism, drug dependence, etc., etc., etc...<BR/><BR/>The bottom line is that every adoption professional knows that it is unhealthy to grow up with lies. Today, the vast majority of adoptees are told sometime during their youth that they are adopted, as they are told to do. Many adoptees know all of their lives. What a torturous act of dangling an apple to tel someone "We are NOT the mother and father who created and carried in our womb, but you can't know who is until you are an adult. So, now, you can spend the rest of your life wondering..."<BR/><BR/>ARE YOU KIDDING ME? You advocate this nonsense? You think this is healthy? This is less DANGEROUS for mental health than the TRUTH?!!<BR/><BR/>Yes, the fact is that if BCs were never changed to begin with, I guess b-mothers could find their kids. But they would have no power to do anything. They still revoked parental rights. If you don't think that as a mother, my true concern is for the CHILDREN this impacts on, then you don't know me at all! I think it is cruel and immoral to ask people to spend their entire life knowing that a lie has been told and not being allowed access to the truth if they want to know it. <BR/><BR/>I think it is absolute laughable folly to ask for a "civil right" only for persons of a certain age. It is comparable to abolitionists having allowed slavery to continue as long as each slave, when he or she reached adulthood, was allowed to go free. Give me a break! How about adult Blacks are allowed to sit anywhere on buses and drink from any water fountain, but their kids have to remain segregated in school and everywhere else?! Makes a lot of sense, huh?Senior Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16843765275162849741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26754179.post-1168173564166671102007-01-07T04:39:00.000-08:002007-01-07T04:39:00.000-08:00Wow, you've done it again, Anita! Great blog. Hope...Wow, you've done it again, Anita! Great blog.<BR/><BR/> Hope that Mirah can grasp what you've stated so eloquently. It does sound to me like she is the one who wants to have all of the control, while at the same time, taking more away from adoptees. Under Mirah's plan, the aparents could still refuse to tell the child that he/she is adopted. How is it going to help the adoptee to have it listed on the OBC when they cannot get a copy of it until they reach the age of majority? So, what ends up happening is that the bparents end up having some power through their ability to access the OBC. At the end of the day, the only people who have any power are the aparents and bparents and, once again, the adoptee is powerless. I personally wish that Mirah would stop pretending her argument is supporting adoptees and just admit that she wants bparents to have a power that they have not before enjoyed outside of open adoptions.<BR/><BR/>This argument is not about adoptees. This argument is about bparents.<BR/><BR/>JanetAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com